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How many of you in EB-2 India category think of going back to school for PhD and getting a bunch of publications?

Given the state of the market, and the EB-2 backlog just aggravating each day with no sign of forward movement, how many of you with PD in 2016 or later are thinking of going back to school for PhD to get a a number of publications and citations? Even the market is changing and seems to favor those who can demonstrate experience in ML & AI. With 10 years of professional experience, all in U.S and a masters in CS prior to that, I feel PhD is a must for immigration and career development prospects for those born in India. I kinda remember my prof saying something to the same effect when he asked me to switch to the PhD program when I was graduating. Agree? #workvisa #h1b #google, #meta, #amazon ,

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Qualcomm lgqui3gb Apr 28

How about EB-5? Do you think that's another option many people would consider?

Apple Bac2Skool OP Apr 28

EB-5 is riskier. Getting a PhD would at least help career prospects.

NVIDIA 7338383 Apr 28

Ongoing back to school will disrupt your life, , will move your life 5 years back and PhD is not easy Eb5 is less disruptive, you continue what you are doing while eb5 works in parallel and best case you have your conditional GC in 1.5 years. Yes it comes with cost.

SmartThings JaySriR@M Apr 28

Just marry a citizen and file for divorce in 25 months

Apple Bac2Skool OP Apr 28

Lol, already married and have a toddler too.

SmartThings JaySriR@M Apr 28

Once your toddler turns 21 he can sponsor your green card

Apple f@milygif Apr 28

I think of it everyday. Even worse my undergrad research advisor actually showed me the pathway to doing that, by now I would've been PhD Mathematics. But I wanted to move into tech. Self sponsoring for GC After PhD doesn't make sense though because PD is not current for India. At the end of the day if you get a PhD because you're passionate about research or you're too afraid to get a job. If you're doing it for GC then it can be tough because your advisor will expect more of you. I know Chinese people tend to get PhDs for GC but their country has a strong base in academia and so they can publish in lesser known publications to get PhD with support from their professor

Apple f@milygif Apr 28

The pathway through PhD is get a PhD, apply for a job on Stem OPT ask them to sponsor O1 visa else try H1 and go for Eb1. Otherwise get a job in academia on cap exempt H1b get GC done while you're there and then move to industry. Someone who has done this can correct me if I'm wrong

Apple Bac2Skool OP Apr 28

No bud, if you already have a PD in EB-2. You will just need to find a job and if you are already eligible for EB-1A, you will get your GC immediately. Apart from GC itself, the time spent in school should hopefully keep you current in the industry for another 10 years.

Fidelity Investments madascow Apr 28

You are talking about 7-16 yrs time spent in academia.

Apple f@milygif Apr 28

Exactly you do a PhD because you have the passion for your field. Its a lot of sacrifice....

Apple Bac2Skool OP Apr 28

True but not just for GC, it’s about getting the opportunity to work on something useful for which demonstrating impact will be more straightforward

Nutanix WLB233 Apr 28

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Apple Bac2Skool OP Apr 28

What’s the helicopter in this context? Would love to take it.

Amazon iozf38 Apr 28

Marrying a citizen is probably the helicopter here

Avis Budget Group DecayBoas Apr 28

Your phd will take 5yr. Citations will take few more years to accumulate. By then, eb1Cs would make eb1 the new eb2.

Apple Bac2Skool OP Apr 28

Even you missed the point. My question is for folks who already have an EB-2/EB-3 PD before 2021. Being eligible for EB-1 will let you port your EB-2/EB-3 date with EB-1 which will immediately be current.

Avis Budget Group DecayBoas Apr 28

Thanks for correcting. Let me suggest another challenge. The phd class will be 20yr old fresh grads from 🇨🇳🇮🇳. They won’t have a life outside phd, they gonna spend 10hr a day at the lab. You gonna be out of place in that environment.

Amazon BhktoKiMKC Apr 28

Lol. Getting EU citizenship soon. Stay backlogged in stupid America.

Apple Bac2Skool OP Apr 28

Nice, I love USA & California. No other place will be as dear to my heart as USA & specifically, California.

Amazon BhktoKiMKC Apr 28

Yeah but I think I got lucky for being a bit younger and making the wise decision for not moving to the US seeing the backlog. If I was five years older, I might have been in the backlog too.

Fidelity Investments madascow Apr 28

If you come back to industry after academia, you will be offered a low-balled position unless you are a big shot researcher. It will take another 4-5 yrs to recover the lost opportunities. By the time, all your friends will be director and VP+ whereas you will be at staff or principal roles at max.

Apple Bac2Skool OP Apr 28

Not necessarily. I know a lot of people who never got promoted for several years and finally got multiple promotions in quick succession within a short span when their profile improved.

Google papakipari Apr 28

Ok. Plain and simple, tell me why do you need GC in concrete points?

Apple Bac2Skool OP Apr 28

Well few things- 1. I can then overbid on my dream house and live more comfortably. 2. Buy a more spacious car. 3. Wait for 5 more years to get citizenship, then travel to several countries without a visa. I can do 1. and 2. even right now but on a temporary visa, I feel that my days are numbered here and think of saving pretty much all I make before I go back to India. Seems like a waste of money to live like a king considering I will need to go back eventually.

Google papakipari Apr 28

I agree with the flexibility GC brings in. But, spending many years on a PhD all for 1, 2, and 3 you mentioned above seems like more cost than benefit. In fact, 1 and 2 are financial goals and a PhD with a student salary will be a net negative.

Meta naGC68 Apr 28

Don’t play the game of what ifs. Now there is no point even EB1 is not current.

Apple Bac2Skool OP Apr 28

It will be current for me if I become eligible .

Meta naGC68 Apr 28

Do a PhD in the UK/europe. You can finish on average in 3-3.5 years.