2024 H1BApr 23
MicrosoftMinamato

H1B golden era is over

Lots of local talent and kids of previous H1B population are all in CS only. So companies can get cheap labor locally With AI number of programmers needed will reduce People wanted remote work but companies are taking it one step further and moving jobs to India. With all remoting tools and video calls no need to keep everyone in USA!!! So save aggressively. It's all coming to an end 🥹

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Microsoft theMasterQ Apr 23

Actually it won’t be India, Latin America will be the future.

LGC timing Apr 23

Just for time zone is much nicer to work with

Meta richаrdhea Apr 23

And culture.

Amazon jxk33 Apr 23

AI will change everything.

Smartsheet biyki Apr 23

Ok only. Post TC only

Microsoft tuglaqq Apr 23

Those kids are American citizens and wont be cheap slave labor. So they are fucked too. Everything going to India and Latam

Amazon hsizbej Apr 25

"Cheap slave labor" - guy working at Microsoft

Amazon xfinetyu Apr 26

“Slave labor” - guy working at Amazon

Google XyanGsbsja Apr 23

The golden era is over in general. Not just H1Bs, everything is going to sbit

Amazon echosmith Apr 24

in the middle of all this America has put an axe to its foot: https://kruzeconsulting.com/blog/new-r-d-legislation/ Job movement to India will only accelerate.

Lowe’s BarrenSpac Apr 25

@Amazon - if you offshore you have a 15 year amortization schedule now. It is extremely painful.

Box 52MM Apr 24

Golden era of SWE in US is over. For H1B it's over even bigly

Google fhytr Apr 24

All previous H1B holders from WITCH and desi consultancies need to have GC revoked and deported back to India. Their kids then need to be stripped of US citizenship. Quality of immigrants from India has been too low for a while now.

Meta XpBs23 Apr 24

What a privileged db you are. Define quality, are you high quality?

Total Wine & More fatipadiha Apr 24

When did you visit your psychiatrist last time ?

Google lannistert Apr 24

Did you like just enter the workforce? Offshoring in tech has been a thing for decades now, and people keep saying the same things. Yes it's frustrating when we go through a phase where there's more offshoring* than stateside growth, but it's not some brand new apocalyptic thing. *I'm overloading this term, and mean, in general, moves to countries with a lower cost of labor - employee comp, office space if needed, etc.

Microsoft theMasterQ Apr 24

Yeah not news, if offshoring worries you work on site with a company more so work federally if you want to work with Americans.

Stripe FinTekPro Apr 26

Heard about exponential effect? Let me tell you why it’s not different today but much much more severe compared to past: tech jobs attracted more kids to pursue CS in US and especially in India, they entered job market in 2000s, now their kids are also getting in tech, so are even more kids inspired by older generation in India, add to that more people in general everywhere and you now have millions more entering workforce every year, who will work for peanuts, are hungrier and more motivated. Don’t say it’s always been like this, that’s not how exponential growth works.

Microsoft DesiStud Apr 24

I wouldn't even bother hiring in India honestly. Indian TC are very inflated too. 60-90L for Sr SWE is ridiculous. I'll hire in LATAM or Philippines or Africa

Match 0xFEE1DEAD Apr 25

How much usd is 60-90L

Delivery Hero LoanaLick Apr 25

60000 to 100k USD

Amazon HeyHoLetsR Apr 25

My banker friend said I didn’t go into tech in 2010 cause I feared offshoring, I don’t think it’ll happen ever. Offshoring will continue but the whole argument has been going on for at least 15 years. As for A.I I used to fear it, but give chat gpt a slightly and I mean slightly complicated task and it gives so much b.s it’ll take an hour to figure out what went wrong and where. At best it’s a productivity boost. To all my friends saying don’t look at what it can do now but give it 5 years, the same can be said about anything, technology is too stochastic and random. Yes, tech may be over but if tech is over many things will be over too and not just tech. Pretty much tech is all there is for a slight hope of a better future. Biotech is too regulated, physics and chemistry haven’t had any major development post Cold War so if tech is over society itself is kinda screwed

Woven by Toyota Code.Leet Apr 25

People's fear isn't about if tech will be over. It's if high paying tech jobs in the US will soon be over. It's the promised land of 22yo rocking 180k+ TC and a reasonable expectation of achieving 500k+ at 30yo, is it still alive.

Amazon HeyHoLetsR Apr 25

IDK, I don’t think one can easily say it’s gonna be over or gonna go to moon. Objectively speaking CS is one of the hardest majors in college and SWE is somewhat harder as a job compared to many other engineering fields because of various factors, while the influx of kids going into CS is hard at least in the U.S graduating with a degree from a decent school isn’t easy, neither is cracking interviews. But as with most things in life future Is very uncertain especially when it comes to very non linear paths like technology