I have 3 competing offers. How do I go about this? I don't feel comfortable sharing them over mail since they are confidential documents. At the same time, I worked hard to get these offers and would like to be able to leverage them. Is downloading offer letters as pdfs and screen sharing my safest bet. No numbers given by Apple yet #hardware #semiconductor Current TC: 0
Don’t do it.
can you please share why?
On the surface it doesn't seem like a bad idea; companies may want to be more competitive seeing what else you are getting to have you on their team. But if you think about it, it's strange behavior. If a company wants to know your competing offers sure, but to ASK for offer letters (which really should be treated as confidential to you) is a level of crossing boundaries that just doesn't seem right. If a company really wants you, they'll calculate the offer wrt their team, your skills, interview experience, etc, to the best of their calculation abilities. If they need to make an offer based on what others are doing, then 1. they probably would have low-balled you and are second-guessing their internal calculations now that they know you have demand and 2. doesn’t lend confidence in their negotiating and offer process if they need other people’s info to know if they’re making a good decision offering you X salary. Also think about it this way: as much as you may be a cog in the wheel of CEOs pulling strings, you are a "business", providing skills, expertise, and time to another business as a job. As a reward for helping with expertise, you are paid back much like a business contract lays out the financial settlements. You have just as much a right to keep your “business decisions” private as much as they do theirs. If a business wants to poke at you to figure out how their competitors are contracting for your expertise, there’s no reason why you should entertain their idea. Not once have I been asked to provide actual offer letters, at most it’s just a quick question at end of final interview stages asking if I have other offers and a ballpark range of TC. The fact that in your other comments you mention they want to have a Facetime call to go over your other offers just lends more credence to the “micromanagement” type culture that’s at Apple (interned there and worked for 2 years, very much know how picky/detailed they are about wanting certain things and at the same time being super defensive and secretive about anything being done).
If you really have 3 competing offers and are willing to walk away from apple then play hardball. This advice holds for any company. Start of by politely saying you're unable to share offers and apple is not an involved party in those offers
Willing to walk away from Apple. Don't feel comfortable sharing via mail. Recruiter gave an option to share via FaceTime, might take that up.
Just pdf edit the numbers 5% higher then share over FaceTime
clever idea, but I already gave the recruiter verbal nos :(
Apple recruiters trying to lowball as much as they can. This is the culture here, pennies and dimes. Walk away.
In an ideal world I could. This is easier said than done in my case. thanks for your suggestion.
If they're not willing to make an offer without seeing what other people have offered you, they have a toxic compensation philosophy. It does not sound like a place I'd like to work. My recommendation is: be willing to walk away. Thanks recruiter, these are offers that are unique to me and Apple shouldn't need to base it's offer on what someone else is willing to pay me. Please present me with your own offer based on Apple's compensation model and we can go from there. If not, we don't have anything further to discuss and I can withdraw my application.
It definitely seems unethical. But after coming this far, I'd like to see what they can offer me even if things don't work out.
It's funny, they take their own confidentiality so seriously yet want to breach yours, they even sue their own ex-employees out of spite. Then again this is the company that stole all our IP from our server then sent us hush money to keep us out of lengthy drawn out trials.
This is unfortunate. It is what it is.
Extactly the same thing happened to me. Apple recruiter asked to see my offers using facetime and was super rude. I declined to share and told them the range I would be willing to accept their offer. Their offer was way lower, and I promptly rejected it. I am now joining another company where I really felt much more valued and getting a good TC of 400k. Also, think about it. There is a reason you don't want to email them the offers. You know this is unethical. :)
Just to be clear, you should do what is best for you personally. If you want to share, then go for it. Everything has risks and benefits.
thanks for sharing. I certainly won't be mailing them, especially when 1 of the offer letter reads 'CONFIDENTIAL B' in red. The recruiters and hiring team have been very pleasant to work with so far until this strange request.
Just tell them other companies has nda on the offer they know what others offer in the ballpark
Redact the most sensitive parts with Preview.app?
I feel hiring manager's name and office address are the only sensitive parts. Should I redact anything else. thanks for the suggestion
I'd say feel free to redact anything else you feel uncomfortable about