My understanding of the Holocaust was incorrect!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims The Holocaust happened. Nazis persecuted ethnicities that they deemed sub human like Jews, Roma and Slavs. The ethnic group with the largest number of victims were the slavs. They totaled 10m deaths. The second largest group was an ethno-religious group know as the Jews. There were 6m Jewish victims. Note1 : Both of these sums exclude combat deaths. These are specifically Holocaust deaths only. Note2 : There are 2 curiousities in the way death tolls are grouped (1) Despite being persecuted for their ethnicity Slavic death counts were divided by nationality unlike the Jews whose numbers across all nationalities was added as a single line item. (2) Even then, the Russian slavs would have been the biggest group at >7m victims. So, the Russian Slavic death count was further broken down into civilian Russians and POW Russians. This breakdown was not done for any other ethnic or national group. Only with these 2 changes did the Jews become the largest victim of the Nazi Holocaust as taught in Western schools In spite these numbers the AMERICAN (and likely Western) definition of the Holocaust recognizes only Jewish victims. "According to the (USHMM), the Holocaust was "the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jewish men, women and children by the Nazi regime and its collaborators". A Polish person pointed me in this direction because Poles being Slavs did not forget their own death count
My guy hitler wrote a book and talking about how it’s all the Jews fault Germany lost WW1 and how they destroyed the economy. I think that might be why they were seen as a different category. But hey maybe you personal research is the gamechanger all the world need to hear
That is the thing. No real new research or quirky claim is needed here. All of this is accepted mainstream western facts. Somehow we just downgraded the deaths of 10m in favor of 6m. As for how Hitler viewed Slavs vs Jews vs Roma, see my response a few posts down. Again, only mainstream accepted western understanding of Hitler/Nazi is all we need here.
Mainstream accepted understanding doesn't mean it's true.
I really like that you’re trying to say Nazis were bad people but not because of killing of the Jews. It was the killing of the Slavs that made them really bad.
Interesting.
1.8m-1.9m non-jew polish civilians were killed
Add all the slavs and we are looking at 10m
@tri8Ta add all homo-sapiens and we are looking at 17 million. Math!
And the Chinese suffered more casualties than either, at the hands of a particularly brutal Japanese assault.
Referring specifically to Holocaust by Nazis. It is known that Japanese committed atrocities even if the *details* are not as well known. Here, the main victims have been substituted by another group.
It is like saying the main victims of Japanese atrocities are Australians instead of Chinese/Koreans. That would be a whole other level of misinformation and this seems to be what is happening here.
Many Slavs were killed but not targeted for extermination, more so for slave labor. There are stories where the only Jews who survived in some villages were children taken in by local Slav families who lied under threat of death that they were their kids. That was enough to save some of them when their parents were killed.
According to Nazi plans 1. Jews and Romas are targeted for total extermination. We never hear the Romas either but indeed these 2 groups are more hated. 2. Slavs were to be mostly exterminated ala American Natives style. The tools for said externination are to be starvation and forced labor. IMHO, 1. totally and mostly exterminated, are almost the same thing. Except mostly exterminating Slavs would be 5-10x (ok I am guessing this part) more deaths. Unless 1 jewish life is worth 5 slavish lives, I think the extermination of slavs are a bigger tragedy. Fortunately, Nazis did not have as much time. 2. The tools of extermination either bullets, gas, labor or starvation is irrelevant. After all the reason Hitler chose gas for Jews was because bullets were too costly. That does not reduce the tragedy. Similarly, Slavs were even more numerous and required even simpler means. That should likewise not reduce the tragedy either.
If I recall correctly, there were also instances where Jews were saved because they were needed for some labor. In truth, some kind souls was trying to protect them. So labor is also a way out for some Jews
People like you are exactly why antisemitism exists. Why does it hurt you so much that Jews are recognized? You can recognize other tragedies like slavs being killed without making a sidenote about Jews deaths being exagerated. These are 6M people killed only for being Jewish. Jews were chased much before the holocost, and still today. Stop trying to downplay what happened to the Jewish people. You want to say something about slavs? Great, write a post about how terrible 10M slavs being killed was. Don't compare it to the Jewush holocost. Don't down play the severity of this day.
Did you not read the part where Jews are a major victim? The issue is why is it that most people think it is the biggest victim when Slavs were worse hit. Put the shoe on the other foot. What if the less than 1m Romas deaths dominated every discussion about Holocaust and folks forgot about Jews. I think that would be bad because Jews are a major victim and should be recognized as being worse hit than Romas. Now put back the other shoe on. By the same logic that we do not accept Jews suffering to be rated below Romas, why would we accept Slavish suffering to be rated below Jews. Again, same logic as above. If one is fair then one would recognize that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Unless you are biased .... ?
Just recognize both. Why do the comparison?
History is written by the victors. Or the survivors anyway. Same reason there is so little talk of the genocide of the First Nations in North America. I remember watching a documentary as a kid in the 80's. I don't see much push to include this info into school curricula.
We have cities and schools named after the perpetrators of the genocide. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_River_massacre
Amazing
Wait till you learn where/how the word Slav came about.
That's like making "Caucasian" a category.
Nazi's viewed the Aryan master race and Slavs as different.They explicitly called out Slavs as sub human. The 10m victim count only Slavs. Not all caucasians. This classification is an accurate representation of how the war criminals viewed the world and what motivated their actions and their crimes. It is thus an accurate way to describe the nature of their crimes
Why can't Caucasian be a category but Jew can?